Sunday, January 11, 2015
some thoughts on muslims versus christianity
On Muslims vs. Christianity:
Like which is the worse crime against humanity...a Muslim who beheads 4 journalists (Terrible gruesome crimes, true). Or Americans shelling in IRAQ with depleted Uranium (20,000 yr. life span) that will cause 1000's of terrible birth defects for generations to come. The same is true in Vietnam Where agent orange was widely spared. In both cases the most innocent of innocents, the yet unborn were heartlessly punished for that of which they knew nothing. I'm just saying be better get our acts clean before we go about judging. We have done some of the worst acts imaginable wining the hearts & minds of the victims of our madness!
A dialogue on Christianity
" And then there is the almost equivalent 'christian' jihad on america, a vile and backwards country in reality. 'This is a christian nation' they belligerently but falsely proclaim. The bottom line for unbelievers is 'hell' for eternity with these sociopathic, us vs. them mental midgets.
Forcing citizens who do not believe in the biblical nonsense to comply with biblical nonsense in the form of republican/teabag legislation via local, state and federal govt levels.
Stirring the hate pot against all who do not agree with them, including suggestions to legislate imprisonment and even the death penalty for Gays, unbelievers, blasphemers, socialists, etc. and failure of those to bow the knee to their human-made 'god'. Not much difference if any vs. the muslim jihadists, another insane belief system."-A
"Spot on, A, the insanity visited upon us by the religious right is becoming more intrusive in our government everytime a teabilly or religious nut gets elected.
They starve the poor because they love them, they want to execute gays because they love them, they want women who cannot afford babies to have their insides ripped out with coat hangers because they love them. It all amounts to fucking insanity and ignorance that the right wing politicians are quick to capitalize on." B
"So true, B, And every time I hear or read someone who is not a christian saying something to the effect that he is not a 'good' christian...I cringe. There is nothing good about christianity historically or currently. It is a man-made fantasy that takes the believers down to where there is no real thought and no reason, just dedication and obedience to unreasonable insanity. And they demand automatic respect because they think they are doing 'gods work' and there are no questions.
And then they take the rest of us down with them if they delve into politics like they have the last couple of decades, ever increasing and on steroids. They are very much into the Trojan Horse version of politics and have proudly developed a 'stealth' method of getting elected...from school boards on up to the top. And over the years have inserted their creed by getting 'in god we trust' etc on our money, in the pledge, and posted in our courtrooms, while using the 'bible' to swear to tell the truth on. Bullshit. This all needs to be removed. When anyone works to have these references removed, they go ballistic and proclaim gods 'wrath' on the nation if anything along those lines is considered.
I speak of this issue often as fair warning to most. They are true idiots and extremely dangerous to personal freedoms and democracy. They will not just sit back and enjoy their faith. It is their 'mission' and purpose to get everyone 'saved by the blood of heysus' at any cost....it is the most important task in their confused and willfully deranged minds.
'They are conniving liars and twisters of the truth, and will continue to wreck this country. They are used by and using the 1% for mutual convenience to clobber the rest of us with an iron fist of fascism and feudalism.
I have been there many years ago (tried it but it wouldnt stick) and married to one, a speaking in tongues kind. A lovely person as actually many of them are, but ruined by this dangerous mind-bending nonsense. Complete fools because they have been fooled by the purveyors of bullshit for untaxed profit from behind their pulpits of insanity." -A
"A, if America is a vile and backwards nation, why do you stay here? Surely there are better places to be. The plain fact is that America is a Christian nation. It always has been. Part of our greatness is that we have no state sanctioned religion (see 1st Amendment) and among all the nations that have ever been, America exercises the greatest tolerance for people of all other faiths or of no faith. Simple fact." C
"C, if you wish, re-read what I wrote and all of my answers to your question are in there. I speak of christianity because of two things....I know much about it and it is a force in this country like the jihad muslims are in the middle east.
I have no problem with anyone believing anything as long as it does not affect my life or anyone that does not want it in theirs. But christianity does, it seeks to influence and control others who want nothing to do with it. Why? Because this is what their 'god' commanded and they will follow through with utmost obedience and dedication, ruining the country in the process. Like I said, if they could just sit back, believe their bullshit and leave others alone...that is fine. But the christian belief system is not kind like so many non-believers and they themselves think...the kindness has an ulterior motive and is conditional. The bottom line is HELL for eternity for anyone who does not believe. And they will go to any extremes to see that their gods will will be done. I say bullshit." A
"You make a good point C. with an exception, nobody chooses to be an atheist, we just don't believe in some magical power making our decisions for us, logic overrides fantasy.
The argument you made that I did agree with is that all religions should be treated with the same respect , but we both know that will never happen as long as they are all willing to murder other humans in the name of their God." -B
"And C, some other religions are just as bad. Some are non-threatening and although may be delusional, do care about people and the environment and do not shame people or try to force their beliefs on others, or claim it is a 'Buddhist' nation etc.
And how is my anti-christianity 'dogma'. I am pointing out facts and truth here. Not my version of christianity. Having experienced it myself and married to one for eight years, I know what I am talking about. What I have pointed out is happening. The only parts I condemn are the violence of their beliefs and that they are trying to force it on others. What is wrong with that?
When someone of the christian faith talks to me and looks at me like I am a heathen and will be going to hell for eternity if I do not believe in their bullshit, I do not have automatic respect. And that is how all evangelical and dominionist believers function. They look down their noses like the rich do to the working class and the poor." -A
"We are not a 'Christian' nation C, that is just another right-wing lie designed to divide this country so we will be too busy fighting each other than addressing the real problems that are destroying this country." -B
"You are bending my mind with that one C. I know from sitting in many churches over the years listening to preachers and reading their material and the schizophrenic bible what they are up to. I am not cherry picking facts, just summing them up so people can understand what it all means without having to read a complete book on the subject which I could write.
If a religion promotes any sort of violence (or 'force') to further their cause, or force their beliefs on people via the political machine, I will speak out and speak hard. This needs to be fought.
Again I say, anyone can believe anything, that is a right here in the good ol USA supposedly, but the christians are bent on eliminating all heathen religions and inserting their creed as the national religion. So if you speak to a born again evangelical, they would not agree to freedom of 'any' religions...just theirs.
If you read up on the dominionists....a driving force in evangelical chriatianity....you will see that they want to take over the govt and all business and offer punishment and death to unbelievers of various kinds. I am very familiar with their mentality and what their purpose is, C, and just warning people before a complete takeover which could happen and I would suspect even you, with what you have said here, would not be a happy camper if their biblical wet dreams came true." -A
"Oh, this is a thrilling way to wake up---to a friendly discussion of perceptions and points of view. You may wish to check out your American history because many of the founders were not Christians. They were Deists! Check it out. It is a fascinating viewpoint at that time--- in this land of aboriginal natives, who respected all of life, did not make a decision until they considered how it would affect the next 7 generations.
They actually called the white women "cows" because the would "breed" so many children. (generalization) Am not sure but they would only have a child every 7 years or so. They seemed to know that this is a finite planet and could not feed a swollen population. So, many practiced birth control, keeping the land fertile. We got much of our constitution from the 7 nations of the Iriquois, which is another interesting avenue to pursue. As far as being a "Christian Nation" I feel that is an over-generalization, big time. My feeling is that this planet and surrounding universes are so Vast and Incomprehensible to the most astute and brilliant minds, that religion could not encompass any of that great mystery of nothingness, being, non-being. Why a simple rock just might know more than our small egos seem to get caught up in. It is unwise to to play with us vs. them. We are them." -D
"C, Two points:
1. If I choose to not believe in the Tooth Fairy, is that a choice or just common sense?
2. If this really was a Christian nation, there would be no homeless people and no hungry children. If we were to go by objective observation, (let's say an alien from another galaxy lands here and does a brief assessment of cultures around the world) that alien would notice we're the only industrialized nation that does not offer universal healthcare, and he'd notice our social safety net is severely underfunded, resulting in much unnecessary human suffering compared to other countries. This begs the question, if we really are Christian nation, does the pathetic condition of our country reflect poorly on Christianity, or just on the moral character of those who vote against ending human suffering?" -E
"I'm late in this conversation and didn't make it all the way thru but in regards to the idea that this is or isn't a christian nation. Regardless of whether or not there is a majority of proclaimed christians, you cannot call it a christian nation and maintain that there is freedom of religion.
Based on the following facts- "White Americans are the racial majority, with a 77.7% share of the U.S. population, according to the 2013 U.S. Census. Hispanic and Latino Americans amount to 17.1% of the population, making up the largest minority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to 13.2% of the population." - Would you ever claim this is a White Nation? I would hope not." - Me
Forcing citizens who do not believe in the biblical nonsense to comply with biblical nonsense in the form of republican/teabag legislation via local, state and federal govt levels.
Stirring the hate pot against all who do not agree with them, including suggestions to legislate imprisonment and even the death penalty for Gays, unbelievers, blasphemers, socialists, etc. and failure of those to bow the knee to their human-made 'god'. Not much difference if any vs. the muslim jihadists, another insane belief system."-A
"Spot on, A, the insanity visited upon us by the religious right is becoming more intrusive in our government everytime a teabilly or religious nut gets elected.
They starve the poor because they love them, they want to execute gays because they love them, they want women who cannot afford babies to have their insides ripped out with coat hangers because they love them. It all amounts to fucking insanity and ignorance that the right wing politicians are quick to capitalize on." B
"So true, B, And every time I hear or read someone who is not a christian saying something to the effect that he is not a 'good' christian...I cringe. There is nothing good about christianity historically or currently. It is a man-made fantasy that takes the believers down to where there is no real thought and no reason, just dedication and obedience to unreasonable insanity. And they demand automatic respect because they think they are doing 'gods work' and there are no questions.
And then they take the rest of us down with them if they delve into politics like they have the last couple of decades, ever increasing and on steroids. They are very much into the Trojan Horse version of politics and have proudly developed a 'stealth' method of getting elected...from school boards on up to the top. And over the years have inserted their creed by getting 'in god we trust' etc on our money, in the pledge, and posted in our courtrooms, while using the 'bible' to swear to tell the truth on. Bullshit. This all needs to be removed. When anyone works to have these references removed, they go ballistic and proclaim gods 'wrath' on the nation if anything along those lines is considered.
I speak of this issue often as fair warning to most. They are true idiots and extremely dangerous to personal freedoms and democracy. They will not just sit back and enjoy their faith. It is their 'mission' and purpose to get everyone 'saved by the blood of heysus' at any cost....it is the most important task in their confused and willfully deranged minds.
'They are conniving liars and twisters of the truth, and will continue to wreck this country. They are used by and using the 1% for mutual convenience to clobber the rest of us with an iron fist of fascism and feudalism.
I have been there many years ago (tried it but it wouldnt stick) and married to one, a speaking in tongues kind. A lovely person as actually many of them are, but ruined by this dangerous mind-bending nonsense. Complete fools because they have been fooled by the purveyors of bullshit for untaxed profit from behind their pulpits of insanity." -A
"A, if America is a vile and backwards nation, why do you stay here? Surely there are better places to be. The plain fact is that America is a Christian nation. It always has been. Part of our greatness is that we have no state sanctioned religion (see 1st Amendment) and among all the nations that have ever been, America exercises the greatest tolerance for people of all other faiths or of no faith. Simple fact." C
"C, if you wish, re-read what I wrote and all of my answers to your question are in there. I speak of christianity because of two things....I know much about it and it is a force in this country like the jihad muslims are in the middle east.
I have no problem with anyone believing anything as long as it does not affect my life or anyone that does not want it in theirs. But christianity does, it seeks to influence and control others who want nothing to do with it. Why? Because this is what their 'god' commanded and they will follow through with utmost obedience and dedication, ruining the country in the process. Like I said, if they could just sit back, believe their bullshit and leave others alone...that is fine. But the christian belief system is not kind like so many non-believers and they themselves think...the kindness has an ulterior motive and is conditional. The bottom line is HELL for eternity for anyone who does not believe. And they will go to any extremes to see that their gods will will be done. I say bullshit." A
"You make a good point C. with an exception, nobody chooses to be an atheist, we just don't believe in some magical power making our decisions for us, logic overrides fantasy.
The argument you made that I did agree with is that all religions should be treated with the same respect , but we both know that will never happen as long as they are all willing to murder other humans in the name of their God." -B
"And C, some other religions are just as bad. Some are non-threatening and although may be delusional, do care about people and the environment and do not shame people or try to force their beliefs on others, or claim it is a 'Buddhist' nation etc.
And how is my anti-christianity 'dogma'. I am pointing out facts and truth here. Not my version of christianity. Having experienced it myself and married to one for eight years, I know what I am talking about. What I have pointed out is happening. The only parts I condemn are the violence of their beliefs and that they are trying to force it on others. What is wrong with that?
When someone of the christian faith talks to me and looks at me like I am a heathen and will be going to hell for eternity if I do not believe in their bullshit, I do not have automatic respect. And that is how all evangelical and dominionist believers function. They look down their noses like the rich do to the working class and the poor." -A
"We are not a 'Christian' nation C, that is just another right-wing lie designed to divide this country so we will be too busy fighting each other than addressing the real problems that are destroying this country." -B
"You are bending my mind with that one C. I know from sitting in many churches over the years listening to preachers and reading their material and the schizophrenic bible what they are up to. I am not cherry picking facts, just summing them up so people can understand what it all means without having to read a complete book on the subject which I could write.
If a religion promotes any sort of violence (or 'force') to further their cause, or force their beliefs on people via the political machine, I will speak out and speak hard. This needs to be fought.
Again I say, anyone can believe anything, that is a right here in the good ol USA supposedly, but the christians are bent on eliminating all heathen religions and inserting their creed as the national religion. So if you speak to a born again evangelical, they would not agree to freedom of 'any' religions...just theirs.
If you read up on the dominionists....a driving force in evangelical chriatianity....you will see that they want to take over the govt and all business and offer punishment and death to unbelievers of various kinds. I am very familiar with their mentality and what their purpose is, C, and just warning people before a complete takeover which could happen and I would suspect even you, with what you have said here, would not be a happy camper if their biblical wet dreams came true." -A
"Oh, this is a thrilling way to wake up---to a friendly discussion of perceptions and points of view. You may wish to check out your American history because many of the founders were not Christians. They were Deists! Check it out. It is a fascinating viewpoint at that time--- in this land of aboriginal natives, who respected all of life, did not make a decision until they considered how it would affect the next 7 generations.
They actually called the white women "cows" because the would "breed" so many children. (generalization) Am not sure but they would only have a child every 7 years or so. They seemed to know that this is a finite planet and could not feed a swollen population. So, many practiced birth control, keeping the land fertile. We got much of our constitution from the 7 nations of the Iriquois, which is another interesting avenue to pursue. As far as being a "Christian Nation" I feel that is an over-generalization, big time. My feeling is that this planet and surrounding universes are so Vast and Incomprehensible to the most astute and brilliant minds, that religion could not encompass any of that great mystery of nothingness, being, non-being. Why a simple rock just might know more than our small egos seem to get caught up in. It is unwise to to play with us vs. them. We are them." -D
"C, Two points:
1. If I choose to not believe in the Tooth Fairy, is that a choice or just common sense?
2. If this really was a Christian nation, there would be no homeless people and no hungry children. If we were to go by objective observation, (let's say an alien from another galaxy lands here and does a brief assessment of cultures around the world) that alien would notice we're the only industrialized nation that does not offer universal healthcare, and he'd notice our social safety net is severely underfunded, resulting in much unnecessary human suffering compared to other countries. This begs the question, if we really are Christian nation, does the pathetic condition of our country reflect poorly on Christianity, or just on the moral character of those who vote against ending human suffering?" -E
"I'm late in this conversation and didn't make it all the way thru but in regards to the idea that this is or isn't a christian nation. Regardless of whether or not there is a majority of proclaimed christians, you cannot call it a christian nation and maintain that there is freedom of religion.
Based on the following facts- "White Americans are the racial majority, with a 77.7% share of the U.S. population, according to the 2013 U.S. Census. Hispanic and Latino Americans amount to 17.1% of the population, making up the largest minority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to 13.2% of the population." - Would you ever claim this is a White Nation? I would hope not." - Me
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