On Gubment, Corporations and what not

Robert Stone: Big, wealthy companies that can afford to hide behind phalanxes of rich, corporate lawyers and creative (ie. corrupt) accountancy practices seldom see any, "percentage", whatsoever in doing the right thing. Therefore it seems to me that the correct answer is to REMOVE LEGAL INCORPORATION as well as the DISPROPORTIONAL ACCUMULATION OF WEALTH from the social, economic and legal pictures..... as this is the ONLY WAY to cause big companies to 1) stop using their wealth to pervert the law in their own favor, and 2) force big companies to protect themselves from liability the only effective way which can remain thereafter, which is to say that they will not be able to hide behind their corporate charter, non-existent, "shareholder obligations", and phalanxes of rich corporate lawyers and creative accountancy practices having engaged in risky-to-deadly business, "opportunities", WHICH THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ENGAGED IN WITH THEIR OWN PERSONAL FAT POTENTIALLY IN THE FIRE!! Viva la Revolution!!!!· September 6 

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Some Dude: How pathetic. I suppose you will be counting on the government to be taking care of you in your retirement years since you are too dim-witted to invest on your own in winning ideas. I guess the bureaucrats should decide your standard of living for you... right?  September 18

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RJ Brightstar: How is that Pathetic? Without the people those companies do not exist. These companies are destroying our planet and the government protects those companies over the citizens. We are in the face of a world wide epidemic of losing our clean water. And these companies are getting away with polluting water all around the world. They are mining the earths minerals and making the earth sick. Along with humans. They pollute our food with pesticides and GMOs and people are getting sick. there are far more diseases now then there ever was in history. These CEO's and investors of these companies are getting fat with riches while poverty and starvation is an epidemic problem. The truth is that most people have put too much faith into these companies and their governments to do the right thing, and sadly those companies and government do not do the right thing. One of the biggest lies is that we need jobs to survive. So here is how they break a society and brainwash the citizens. First take away their food source and control it. which they have done, taint their food source with chemicals to make them sick, over fund companies that make toxic pharmaceuticals, over invest in technology to keep the citizens occupied with their awesome gadgets which has worked 100% in getting the results needed to keep people in a state of believing that we need to move forward into the future as fast as possible. People have become far too comfortable with their Greed and so called advancement that societies can no longer maintain, which is why we have so many problems in society with drugs and crime. The powers that be have successfully brainwashed billions of people. So while the fat cats get rich the rest of the world suffers. So exactly how does Capitalism benefit the citizens of the world? The whole purpose of the governments is assure security of all citizens of their perspective countries, but we see far too much them protecting big companies over the people. So how is that beneficial to our society?

September 18 

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dude:

Unfortunately, capitalism is the most toxic creation of our species, in fact, it looks like it's practice has caused us to become (along with a myriad of other species) an evolutionary dead end.. So, it's cute that some believe it can be made "sustainable"..💩        

September 12 

reply from other dude: Your statement is unbelievably ignorant. http://lfb.org/why-socialism-failed/
dude: Jim, Socialism is just another scarcity driven, socio economic system; although it is much, much less toxic; and, it certainly did not "fail" that is utterly humorous...
 The Eco genocidal nature of Crapitalism has doomed communists and socialists to a bleak future..☠💀😘
 September 18 

Alicia-Pilar Mogollon: Jim assuming that because someone is anti capitalism that automatically means they are pro socialism is not being able to think critically, to think creatively. It is not being able to think outside of the boxes of thought that have been spoon fed you by those who would keep this system so as not to threaten their way of life and that is unbelievably ignorant in my opinion.
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On Gubment, Corporations and what not

Robert Stone: Big, wealthy companies that can afford to hide behind phalanxes of rich, corporate lawyers and creative (ie. corrupt) accountancy practices seldom see any, "percentage", whatsoever in doing the right thing. Therefore it seems to me that the correct answer is to REMOVE LEGAL INCORPORATION as well as the DISPROPORTIONAL ACCUMULATION OF WEALTH from the social, economic and legal pictures..... as this is the ONLY WAY to cause big companies to 1) stop using their wealth to pervert the law in their own favor, and 2) force big companies to protect themselves from liability the only effective way which can remain thereafter, which is to say that they will not be able to hide behind their corporate charter, non-existent, "shareholder obligations", and phalanxes of rich corporate lawyers and creative accountancy practices having engaged in risky-to-deadly business, "opportunities", WHICH THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ENGAGED IN WITH THEIR OWN PERSONAL FAT POTENTIALLY IN THE FIRE!! Viva la Revolution!!!!· September 6 

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Some Dude: How pathetic. I suppose you will be counting on the government to be taking care of you in your retirement years since you are too dim-witted to invest on your own in winning ideas. I guess the bureaucrats should decide your standard of living for you... right?  September 18

Reply: 

RJ Brightstar: How is that Pathetic? Without the people those companies do not exist. These companies are destroying our planet and the government protects those companies over the citizens. We are in the face of a world wide epidemic of losing our clean water. And these companies are getting away with polluting water all around the world. They are mining the earths minerals and making the earth sick. Along with humans. They pollute our food with pesticides and GMOs and people are getting sick. there are far more diseases now then there ever was in history. These CEO's and investors of these companies are getting fat with riches while poverty and starvation is an epidemic problem. The truth is that most people have put too much faith into these companies and their governments to do the right thing, and sadly those companies and government do not do the right thing. One of the biggest lies is that we need jobs to survive. So here is how they break a society and brainwash the citizens. First take away their food source and control it. which they have done, taint their food source with chemicals to make them sick, over fund companies that make toxic pharmaceuticals, over invest in technology to keep the citizens occupied with their awesome gadgets which has worked 100% in getting the results needed to keep people in a state of believing that we need to move forward into the future as fast as possible. People have become far too comfortable with their Greed and so called advancement that societies can no longer maintain, which is why we have so many problems in society with drugs and crime. The powers that be have successfully brainwashed billions of people. So while the fat cats get rich the rest of the world suffers. So exactly how does Capitalism benefit the citizens of the world? The whole purpose of the governments is assure security of all citizens of their perspective countries, but we see far too much them protecting big companies over the people. So how is that beneficial to our society?

September 18 

_____

dude:

Unfortunately, capitalism is the most toxic creation of our species, in fact, it looks like it's practice has caused us to become (along with a myriad of other species) an evolutionary dead end.. So, it's cute that some believe it can be made "sustainable"..💩        

September 12 

reply from other dude: Your statement is unbelievably ignorant. http://lfb.org/why-socialism-failed/
dude: Jim, Socialism is just another scarcity driven, socio economic system; although it is much, much less toxic; and, it certainly did not "fail" that is utterly humorous...
 The Eco genocidal nature of Crapitalism has doomed communists and socialists to a bleak future..☠💀😘
 September 18 

Alicia-Pilar Mogollon: Jim assuming that because someone is anti capitalism that automatically means they are pro socialism is not being able to think critically, to think creatively. It is not being able to think outside of the boxes of thought that have been spoon fed you by those who would keep this system so as not to threaten their way of life and that is unbelievably ignorant in my opinion.
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On Gubment, Corporations and what not

Robert Stone: Big, wealthy companies that can afford to hide behind phalanxes of rich, corporate lawyers and creative (ie. corrupt) accountancy practices seldom see any, "percentage", whatsoever in doing the right thing. Therefore it seems to me that the correct answer is to REMOVE LEGAL INCORPORATION as well as the DISPROPORTIONAL ACCUMULATION OF WEALTH from the social, economic and legal pictures..... as this is the ONLY WAY to cause big companies to 1) stop using their wealth to pervert the law in their own favor, and 2) force big companies to protect themselves from liability the only effective way which can remain thereafter, which is to say that they will not be able to hide behind their corporate charter, non-existent, "shareholder obligations", and phalanxes of rich corporate lawyers and creative accountancy practices having engaged in risky-to-deadly business, "opportunities", WHICH THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ENGAGED IN WITH THEIR OWN PERSONAL FAT POTENTIALLY IN THE FIRE!! Viva la Revolution!!!!· September 6 

Reply:

Some Dude: How pathetic. I suppose you will be counting on the government to be taking care of you in your retirement years since you are too dim-witted to invest on your own in winning ideas. I guess the bureaucrats should decide your standard of living for you... right?  September 18

Reply: 

RJ Brightstar: How is that Pathetic? Without the people those companies do not exist. These companies are destroying our planet and the government protects those companies over the citizens. We are in the face of a world wide epidemic of losing our clean water. And these companies are getting away with polluting water all around the world. They are mining the earths minerals and making the earth sick. Along with humans. They pollute our food with pesticides and GMOs and people are getting sick. there are far more diseases now then there ever was in history. These CEO's and investors of these companies are getting fat with riches while poverty and starvation is an epidemic problem. The truth is that most people have put too much faith into these companies and their governments to do the right thing, and sadly those companies and government do not do the right thing. One of the biggest lies is that we need jobs to survive. So here is how they break a society and brainwash the citizens. First take away their food source and control it. which they have done, taint their food source with chemicals to make them sick, over fund companies that make toxic pharmaceuticals, over invest in technology to keep the citizens occupied with their awesome gadgets which has worked 100% in getting the results needed to keep people in a state of believing that we need to move forward into the future as fast as possible. People have become far too comfortable with their Greed and so called advancement that societies can no longer maintain, which is why we have so many problems in society with drugs and crime. The powers that be have successfully brainwashed billions of people. So while the fat cats get rich the rest of the world suffers. So exactly how does Capitalism benefit the citizens of the world? The whole purpose of the governments is assure security of all citizens of their perspective countries, but we see far too much them protecting big companies over the people. So how is that beneficial to our society?

September 18 

_____

dude:

Unfortunately, capitalism is the most toxic creation of our species, in fact, it looks like it's practice has caused us to become (along with a myriad of other species) an evolutionary dead end.. So, it's cute that some believe it can be made "sustainable"..💩        

September 12 

reply from other dude: Your statement is unbelievably ignorant. http://lfb.org/why-socialism-failed/
dude: Jim, Socialism is just another scarcity driven, socio economic system; although it is much, much less toxic; and, it certainly did not "fail" that is utterly humorous...
 The Eco genocidal nature of Crapitalism has doomed communists and socialists to a bleak future..☠💀😘
 September 18 

Alicia-Pilar Mogollon: Jim assuming that because someone is anti capitalism that automatically means they are pro socialism is not being able to think critically, to think creatively. It is not being able to think outside of the boxes of thought that have been spoon fed you by those who would keep this system so as not to threaten their way of life and that is unbelievably ignorant in my opinion.
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On Gubment, Corporations and what not

Robert Stone: Big, wealthy companies that can afford to hide behind phalanxes of rich, corporate lawyers and creative (ie. corrupt) accountancy practices seldom see any, "percentage", whatsoever in doing the right thing. Therefore it seems to me that the correct answer is to REMOVE LEGAL INCORPORATION as well as the DISPROPORTIONAL ACCUMULATION OF WEALTH from the social, economic and legal pictures..... as this is the ONLY WAY to cause big companies to 1) stop using their wealth to pervert the law in their own favor, and 2) force big companies to protect themselves from liability the only effective way which can remain thereafter, which is to say that they will not be able to hide behind their corporate charter, non-existent, "shareholder obligations", and phalanxes of rich corporate lawyers and creative accountancy practices having engaged in risky-to-deadly business, "opportunities", WHICH THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ENGAGED IN WITH THEIR OWN PERSONAL FAT POTENTIALLY IN THE FIRE!! Viva la Revolution!!!!· September 6 

Reply:

Some Dude: How pathetic. I suppose you will be counting on the government to be taking care of you in your retirement years since you are too dim-witted to invest on your own in winning ideas. I guess the bureaucrats should decide your standard of living for you... right?  September 18

Reply: 

RJ Brightstar: How is that Pathetic? Without the people those companies do not exist. These companies are destroying our planet and the government protects those companies over the citizens. We are in the face of a world wide epidemic of losing our clean water. And these companies are getting away with polluting water all around the world. They are mining the earths minerals and making the earth sick. Along with humans. They pollute our food with pesticides and GMOs and people are getting sick. there are far more diseases now then there ever was in history. These CEO's and investors of these companies are getting fat with riches while poverty and starvation is an epidemic problem. The truth is that most people have put too much faith into these companies and their governments to do the right thing, and sadly those companies and government do not do the right thing. One of the biggest lies is that we need jobs to survive. So here is how they break a society and brainwash the citizens. First take away their food source and control it. which they have done, taint their food source with chemicals to make them sick, over fund companies that make toxic pharmaceuticals, over invest in technology to keep the citizens occupied with their awesome gadgets which has worked 100% in getting the results needed to keep people in a state of believing that we need to move forward into the future as fast as possible. People have become far too comfortable with their Greed and so called advancement that societies can no longer maintain, which is why we have so many problems in society with drugs and crime. The powers that be have successfully brainwashed billions of people. So while the fat cats get rich the rest of the world suffers. So exactly how does Capitalism benefit the citizens of the world? The whole purpose of the governments is assure security of all citizens of their perspective countries, but we see far too much them protecting big companies over the people. So how is that beneficial to our society?

September 18 

_____

dude:

Unfortunately, capitalism is the most toxic creation of our species, in fact, it looks like it's practice has caused us to become (along with a myriad of other species) an evolutionary dead end.. So, it's cute that some believe it can be made "sustainable"..💩        

September 12 

reply from other dude: Your statement is unbelievably ignorant. http://lfb.org/why-socialism-failed/
dude: Jim, Socialism is just another scarcity driven, socio economic system; although it is much, much less toxic; and, it certainly did not "fail" that is utterly humorous...
 The Eco genocidal nature of Crapitalism has doomed communists and socialists to a bleak future..☠💀😘
 September 18 

Alicia-Pilar Mogollon: Jim assuming that because someone is anti capitalism that automatically means they are pro socialism is not being able to think critically, to think creatively. It is not being able to think outside of the boxes of thought that have been spoon fed you by those who would keep this system so as not to threaten their way of life and that is unbelievably ignorant in my opinion.
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On Basic Income

the following started out as response to a comment made within the thread of a post I shared about basic income. Unfortunately my response got too long, as I began to address more than just the one comment but also a lot of the other things the individual had said or intimated on other parts of the thread and for some reason, wouldn't post on the thread. But that's of no import, I still felt I wanted to save these thoughts so posting them here.

Here's a link to the post I had shared. ammario-reza/those-lazy-jobless-bums Here is the comment I was replying to. "How are people being suppressed from prospering? There are boundless opportunities in this country if you work for it. The son of a janitor can get his Doctorate of Philosophy and become a distinguished professor as my father did. A child born in the Bronx can become one of the world's leading astrophysics, as did Neil deGrasse Tyson. One is not limited in opportunity by their birth, as is the case in many places in this world. There is the ability for opportunity and advancement in the united states. One must simply strive for it. To remove the stresses of life would be to remove the impetus of life."

There are not boundless opportunities. Something you need to think about is the phrase "Privilege is thinking something isn't a problem because it isn't a problem for you" Kudos to your father, but not everyone can do what he did there aren't boundless janitor positions and there not boundless openings for professors. Some kind of hand up was given to anyone who prospers. There is no such thing as a self made millionaire. The people at the top get the most welfare of all.

The facts are that technological unemployment is real, happening now and happening fast. And more and more jobs are moving to machines, more and more jobs will move to machines. And that is a good thing, they are more efficient, and often more resource thrifty. So this idea you have of "make something and sell it" is a problem. We do not need more production; We do not need more consumption and waste and the making of things simply for profit. This idea you have of everyone working at a job doing something productive is unsustainable and actually a liability. We live on a finite planet. The planet needs us to stop producing. Another fact is that if everyone on the planet consumed as much as the average US citizen, four Earths would be needed to sustain them. That's not ok. But hey at least we're not the worst. The UAE beat us at 5.5 planets. Whose going to pay for the basic income, do some research there have been many calculations as to how this could be achieved. Earth Overshoot Day 2016 lands on August 8 this is the date when humanity has exhausted nature’s budget for the year. So again, people need to stop the constant producing. Laying around on a lawn chair or a body's couch for awhile will actually be good for the planet and just might keep us from extinction.

As to the idea that people would be lazy. Scientific study has proven otherwise. They show that emotional sources of motivation are more powerful than money, such as building something lasting, contributing to society, etc. Money is a byproduct, it is simply the thing we need within this system in order to subsist. To have basic human comforts that enable us to have the great ideas, the insight the motivation. And I believe money is a lazy way to calculate one's worth. But that's another topic. Basic Income experiments have proved this idea erroneous. "Large-scale experiments done in cities like Seattle and Denver," in the 70's, " found that surprisingly, hardly anyone actually stopped working, and instead reduced their hours slightly, with men reducing their hours the least — by a maximum of 8%" Very similar results have been found more recently in studies in India, Kenya and Uganda. Another good question, is, would you be lazy, ________, if you were given a monthly living grant, would you be lazy? Probably not, right, so why do you assume anyone else would be?

 As for anyone who would refuse to do anything. I would think of that as a mental health issue. There is no reason an able, rational, mentally healthy person would refuse to do "anything" to just lie around forever. So in the case of the few people that might, or the people who are physically or otherwise mentally unable to 'contribute' yes, I would most definitely be fine with their being housed and fed. I like to think of justice as it was described in the first section of Plato's Republic. I'll summarize it briefly "...a dog if harmed becomes a worse dog by the standard of excellence by which we judge dogs...must we not then say of a man that if harmed he becomes worse by the standards of human excellence...?" The reason this is profound to me, is because when you get right down to it, making sure that every single humans basic needs are met, when it is possible to do so, is the proper course of action not really because it's the right thing to do, but rather because it is the efficient thing to do. If people are lazy and lackluster it is because they live in a society that forces them into competition and often unnecessary labor just in order to survive. It forces them to have money and a job in order to exist and yet there never seems to be enough to go around.

In the event that this was too short, here are some links:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-santens/why-should-we-support-the_b_7630162.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/giving-all-americans-a-basic-income-would-end-poverty-2013-11

http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/06/money-motivation-pay-leadership-managing-employees.html

http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/siowfa12/2012/10/if-everyone-lived-liked-americans-how-many-earths-would-we-need.html

http://grist.org/business-technology/none-of-the-worlds-top-industries-would-be-profitable-if-they-paid-for-the-natural-capital-they-use/

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/14/11410904/givedirectly-basic-income

http://capx.co/keeping-an-eye-on-utrechts-basic-income-experiment/

http://isa-global-dialogue.net/indias-great-experiment-the-transformative-potential-of-basic-income-grants/

Soul Nourishment: the brilliance of Alan Watts

Now what happens then when you introduce technology into production?
You produce enormous quantities of goods by technological methods but at the same time you put people out of work.
You can say, "Oh but there will always be more jobs."
Yes, but lots of them will be futile jobs.
They will be jobs making every kind of frippery and unnecessary contraption, and one will also at the same time have to beguile the public into feeling that they need and want these completely unnecessary things that aren't even beautiful.
And therefore an enormous amount of nonsense employment and busy work, bureaucratic and otherwise, has to be created in order to keep people working, because we believe that "the devil finds work for idle hands to do."

But the basic principle of the whole thing has been completely overlooked; that the purpose of the machine is to make drudgery unnecessary!
And if we don't allow it to achieve its purpose - we live in a constant state of self-frustration.

- Alan Watts