some thoughts on muslims versus christianity

On Muslims vs. Christianity:
 Like which is the worse crime against humanity...a Muslim who beheads 4 journalists (Terrible gruesome crimes, true). Or Americans shelling in IRAQ with depleted Uranium (20,000 yr. life span) that will cause 1000's of terrible birth defects for generations to come. The same is true in Vietnam Where agent orange was widely spared. In both cases the most innocent of innocents, the yet unborn were heartlessly punished for that of which they knew nothing. I'm just saying be better get our acts clean before we go about judging. We have done some of the worst acts imaginable wining the hearts & minds of the victims of our madness!

A dialogue on Christianity

" And then there is the almost equivalent 'christian' jihad on america, a vile and backwards country in reality. 'This is a christian nation' they belligerently but falsely proclaim. The bottom line for unbelievers is 'hell' for eternity with these sociopathic, us vs. them mental midgets.

Forcing citizens who do not believe in the biblical nonsense to comply with biblical nonsense in the form of republican/teabag legislation via local, state and federal govt levels.

Stirring the hate pot against all who do not agree with them, including suggestions to legislate imprisonment and even the death penalty for Gays, unbelievers, blasphemers, socialists, etc. and failure of those to bow the knee to their human-made 'god'. Not much difference if any vs. the muslim jihadists, another insane belief system."-A

"Spot on, A, the insanity visited upon us by the religious right is becoming more intrusive in our government everytime a teabilly or religious nut gets elected.
They starve the poor because they love them, they want to execute gays because they love them, they want women who cannot afford babies to have their insides ripped out with coat hangers because they love them. It all amounts to fucking insanity and ignorance that the right wing politicians are quick to capitalize on." B

"So true, B, And every time I hear or read someone who is not a christian saying something to the effect that he is not a 'good' christian...I cringe. There is nothing good about christianity historically or currently. It is a man-made fantasy that takes the believers down to where there is no real thought and no reason, just dedication and obedience to unreasonable insanity. And they demand automatic respect because they think they are doing 'gods work' and there are no questions.

And then they take the rest of us down with them if they delve into politics like they have the last couple of decades, ever increasing and on steroids. They are very much into the Trojan Horse version of politics and have proudly developed a 'stealth' method of getting elected...from school boards on up to the top. And over the years have inserted their creed by getting 'in god we trust' etc on our money, in the pledge, and posted in our courtrooms, while using the 'bible' to swear to tell the truth on. Bullshit. This all needs to be removed. When anyone works to have these references removed, they go ballistic and proclaim gods 'wrath' on the nation if anything along those lines is considered.

I speak of this issue often as fair warning to most. They are true idiots and extremely dangerous to personal freedoms and democracy. They will not just sit back and enjoy their faith. It is their 'mission' and purpose to get everyone 'saved by the blood of heysus' at any cost....it is the most important task in their confused and willfully deranged minds.

'They are conniving liars and twisters of the truth, and will continue to wreck this country. They are used by and using the 1% for mutual convenience to clobber the rest of us with an iron fist of fascism and feudalism.

I have been there many years ago (tried it but it wouldnt stick) and married to one, a speaking in tongues kind. A lovely person as actually many of them are, but ruined by this dangerous mind-bending nonsense. Complete fools because they have been fooled by the purveyors of bullshit for untaxed profit from behind their pulpits of insanity." -A

"A, if America is a vile and backwards nation, why do you stay here? Surely there are better places to be. The plain fact is that America is a Christian nation. It always has been. Part of our greatness is that we have no state sanctioned religion (see 1st Amendment) and among all the nations that have ever been, America exercises the greatest tolerance for people of all other faiths or of no faith. Simple fact." C

"C, if you wish, re-read what I wrote and all of my answers to your question are in there. I speak of christianity because of two things....I know much about it and it is a force in this country like the jihad muslims are in the middle east.

I have no problem with anyone believing anything as long as it does not affect my life or anyone that does not want it in theirs. But christianity does, it seeks to influence and control others who want nothing to do with it. Why? Because this is what their 'god' commanded and they will follow through with utmost obedience and dedication, ruining the country in the process. Like I said, if they could just sit back, believe their bullshit and leave others alone...that is fine. But the christian belief system is not kind like so many non-believers and they themselves think...the kindness has an ulterior motive and is conditional. The bottom line is HELL for eternity for anyone who does not believe. And they will go to any extremes to see that their gods will will be done. I say bullshit." A

"You make a good point C. with an exception, nobody chooses to be an atheist, we just don't believe in some magical power making our decisions for us, logic overrides fantasy.
The argument you made that I did agree with is that all religions should be treated with the same respect , but we both know that will never happen as long as they are all willing to murder other humans in the name of their God." -B

"And C, some other religions are just as bad. Some are non-threatening and although may be delusional, do care about people and the environment and do not shame people or try to force their beliefs on others, or claim it is a 'Buddhist' nation etc.

And how is my anti-christianity 'dogma'. I am pointing out facts and truth here. Not my version of christianity. Having experienced it myself and married to one for eight years, I know what I am talking about. What I have pointed out is happening. The only parts I condemn are the violence of their beliefs and that they are trying to force it on others. What is wrong with that?

When someone of the christian faith talks to me and looks at me like I am a heathen and will be going to hell for eternity if I do not believe in their bullshit, I do not have automatic respect. And that is how all evangelical and dominionist believers function. They look down their noses like the rich do to the working class and the poor." -A

"We are not a 'Christian' nation C, that is just another right-wing lie designed to divide this country so we will be too busy fighting each other than addressing the real problems that are destroying this country." -B

"You are bending my mind with that one C. I know from sitting in many churches over the years listening to preachers and reading their material and the schizophrenic bible what they are up to. I am not cherry picking facts, just summing them up so people can understand what it all means without having to read a complete book on the subject which I could write.

If a religion promotes any sort of violence (or 'force') to further their cause, or force their beliefs on people via the political machine, I will speak out and speak hard. This needs to be fought.

Again I say, anyone can believe anything, that is a right here in the good ol USA supposedly, but the christians are bent on eliminating all heathen religions and inserting their creed as the national religion. So if you speak to a born again evangelical, they would not agree to freedom of 'any' religions...just theirs.

If you read up on the dominionists....a driving force in evangelical chriatianity....you will see that they want to take over the govt and all business and offer punishment and death to unbelievers of various kinds. I am very familiar with their mentality and what their purpose is, C, and just warning people before a complete takeover which could happen and I would suspect even you, with what you have said here, would not be a happy camper if their biblical wet dreams came true." -A

"Oh, this is a thrilling way to wake up---to a friendly discussion of perceptions and points of view. You may wish to check out your American history because many of the founders were not Christians. They were Deists! Check it out. It is a fascinating viewpoint at that time--- in this land of aboriginal natives, who respected all of life, did not make a decision until they considered how it would affect the next 7 generations.
They actually called the white women "cows" because the would "breed" so many children. (generalization) Am not sure but they would only have a child every 7 years or so. They seemed to know that this is a finite planet and could not feed a swollen population. So, many practiced birth control, keeping the land fertile. We got much of our constitution from the 7 nations of the Iriquois, which is another interesting avenue to pursue. As far as being a "Christian Nation" I feel that is an over-generalization, big time. My feeling is that this planet and surrounding universes are so Vast and Incomprehensible to the most astute and brilliant minds, that religion could not encompass any of that great mystery of nothingness, being, non-being. Why a simple rock just might know more than our small egos seem to get caught up in. It is unwise to to play with us vs. them. We are them." -D

"C, Two points:
1. If I choose to not believe in the Tooth Fairy, is that a choice or just common sense?
2. If this really was a Christian nation, there would be no homeless people and no hungry children. If we were to go by objective observation, (let's say an alien from another galaxy lands here and does a brief assessment of cultures around the world) that alien would notice we're the only industrialized nation that does not offer universal healthcare, and he'd notice our social safety net is severely underfunded, resulting in much unnecessary human suffering compared to other countries. This begs the question, if we really are Christian nation, does the pathetic condition of our country reflect poorly on Christianity, or just on the moral character of those who vote against ending human suffering?" -E

"I'm late in this conversation and didn't make it all the way thru but in regards to the idea that this is or isn't a christian nation. Regardless of whether or not there is a majority of proclaimed christians, you cannot call it a christian nation and maintain that there is freedom of religion.

Based on the following facts- "White Americans are the racial majority, with a 77.7% share of the U.S. population, according to the 2013 U.S. Census. Hispanic and Latino Americans amount to 17.1% of the population, making up the largest minority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to 13.2% of the population." - Would you ever claim this is a White Nation? I would hope not." - Me

Some Thoughts in Support of a Resource Based Economy

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction. They may be summed up by the phrases: (1) It’s completely impossible. (2) It’s possible, but it’s not worth doing. (3) I said it was a good idea all along.

Resource based economy

Money has lost its intrinsic value and it serves only now to stratify society and create massive inequality. If peoples contribution to society was the measure of prosperity rather than a monetary valuation then the worlds problems would quickly disappear. Those who currently contribute the least to humanity gain the most while those struggling and working hard for social progression are often ostracized and persecuted. A resource based economy would go a long way to redress the problem we face and help to move humanity to a not only sustainable but abundant future.

The crazy people are running the asylum

Yes. I believe it would be beneficial to switch to a resource-based economy...

Thinking about this just in terms of money is also just looking at one facet of a multifaceted problem. The current system facilitates wage slavery, poverty, social health issues, gross inequality, a grossly uneven playing field, a severe diminishment of humanity's fuller potential, letting the inmates run the asylum, further degradation of social institutions, including but certainly not limited to the sham that masquerades as the *justice* institutions certainly in the west and more than likely elsewhere.

Posted by: SStrohm

Technological unemployment, divisive hierarchal structures, scarcity driven economic systems, debt based money systems result in poverty, territorial disputes and ultimately war.

A Resource Based Economic model proposes an end to the Monetary System and of course we don't need money. If we needed money to get things done we'd have become extinct long before the first civilisation. The monetary system corrupts our behaviour and generates a fatal value system disorder. It is out-dated and can only function if there is scarcity, which is the reason we pay farmers not to grow food when children are starving around the world. Abundance is the key, If we can produce in abundance, which we can easily, then money would no longer required. We need to evolve.

Argument:  While a resource-based economy would have its benefits, it would also create many problems that could harm the overall economy. In today's complex economy, it is sometimes necessary for governments to "create money" by printing more of it, especially in times of emergency. A resource economy would remove this ability and, thus, could create enormous difficulties. posted by EminentBennett93

Response: 

 If you look past the conceptual ideas and delve into the mechanics of such a system (i.E. Print on demand production, home 3-d printing, automated production/distribution of products with complete their complete sustainability considered before creation, vertical farms, access centers, strategic design, etc.) you will see that it solves FAR more problems than it creates. Money is not evil, it is simply the training wheels that we used for thousands of years in a long epoch of scarcity. With that very important variable being overcome, the actual need for money, servitude, and trade becomes obsolete. 

Try to remember the fact that money is an intangible invention - a symbolic representation of value in an environment of scarcity, not a resource (you cannot eat it, build with it, and it has no place in an ecosystem). If there were some emergency in a fully realized RBE, we wouldn't be lobbying our congressmen, printing more money from central banks, and raising the debt ceiling -- we would utilize the best tools we have in a scientific manner (using the scientific method) to determine how to solve these problems. Everyone who has something to offer in terms of ideas would have a voice, and a method of contribution. 

This is a holistic systems approach, reflecting a modern understanding of how our actions affect our environment, and vice versa. Taking our cues from nature is the first step in understanding how to maintain balance between humans and the ecology of the planet. In short, to understand the totality of the RBE idea, try to remember that everything you have learned about economics, money, government, and human behavior are all based on an environment of real or perpetuated scarcity. Removing that variable, even over a long period of time, will have immeasurably positive effects on our species. 

I would recommend viewing "Our Technical Reality" on youtube to get an idea of how efficient we can make our energy infrastructure, for a start. There are also numerous videos and lectures about the effect of meeting human needs in a strategic manner, and how that affects our behavior and worldview

Argument: Our country works well with the economy we have.  The economy we have now is consumer based. We can and will make this work once we get out of the pointless wars that we are in. The reason our country is in the mess that it is in right now is because our government got us into wars that we can not afford.

Posted by: 5c0tJung

Responses: 

 The country (assuming you mean America) doesn't work well at all...50 million people don't even have organized health care, and 99% of the population is a wage slave of some kind. Furthermore, you can't just excerpt one nation from the world and base decisions on that - our current approach to society building leaves almost 1 billion humans going hungry, in spite of us having ample food and resources to feed them with. A money-based society is nothing but a pure, unadulterated failure.

3.1 billion without access to clean water when there is plenty enough clean water and resources to give these people access to it. 
- Millions homeless when we can build houses with industrial sized 3D printers for low resource cost.
- Money breeds corruption in politics and business, it cannot be escaped no matter how many laws you institute. 
- There is no reason to continue an impractical means of distributing resources when it causes so much pin and suffering in the world.

Argument: Our country works well with the economy we have. The economy we have now is consumer based. We can and will make this work once we get out of the pointless wars that we are in. The reason our country is in the mess that it is in right now is because our government got us into wars that we can not afford...

Posted by: UncoveredGaylord73

Responses: 

 A resource-based economy is not simply abolishing money. "Without money, people couldn't afford"... "afford" itself is an argument about money, not resources. A resource based economy takes an inventory of all the resources on the Earth (not money) and allocates those resources based on real-world priorities. It's not the abolishment of all technology, rather the opposite, it's embracing technology to the fullest to give all humans what they need and much of what they want. 

 In a resource based society there is no money, so switching to a more effiecent way of doing things would be easier because we were not have to worry about finding the funds to do it. This type of proposes we have technology do all things for us. So every thing will be build by self automated machines and fixed by them too. Things will be build to last and if it happens to malfuntion then all things are replaced for free, because there is no money.

That is of course assuming that people would stop doing the things that they are already doing, like building, innovating, and producing more technology. Money does not create these things, people do. Money is just a piece of paper. It is not a resource.

Argument: Get rid of money and the psychopaths that use it to bully. If we are to rely on a resource based economy it will be ruled by the powerful psychopaths that know how to take more for their selves. It will be no better than if we had money. We need to get rid of money and the people that like to make reckless choices that endanger and deprive others of resources they don't know how to control. Might does not make right.

Posted by: David_Harvey

Responses: 

A RBE is not possible with 'powerful psychopaths' in existence -- meaning we need to change our education (and thus value systems for future generations) so that sustainability and alignment with nature is the prime focus, rather than acquisition of material wealth and advantage over others in a competitive manner. To those who have not thoroughly examined the tenets and systems of a RBE, these claims seem exaggerated and unlikely, however the trends are clear in terms of our failing education system, and our even worse failing economy. As long as a social system rewards disadvantaging others, pitting people against each other for the basic needs of life (either in literal physical confrontation, or competition for jobs), then powerful psychopaths is what we will get. This transition will be a long and arduous process, but the more we embrace sustainability and stop worrying about how this affects a puppet economy (which does not represent or even consider the life ground of humans and other species in its foundational assumptions) , the better off we will be in every measurable sense. 
By viewing human behavior and indoctrination as a spectrum, it becomes quite obvious that we are products of our environment. Thus, the more we improve our physical and psychological environment (removing incentives to disadvantage others, encouraging cooperation) the better off we will all be, and the less 'powerful psychopaths' there will be - because no reward will then come from that behavior.

Argument: Flawed idea is flawed. 

The idea behind resourse based economics is built on flawed logic about the apparent evils of money without stopping to consider why monetary systems are so widespread, and were even in nominally communist countries.

One cannot simply just remove money from the equation - it serves so many useful purposes in our society that even without a central currency existing, people would still operate in a way that we can recognise today as being monetary in nature.

Responses: 

keenondebate:

Actually, the case is the opposite. You need to ask why money is there to begin with, and if it serves its purpose. Monetary systems are wide spread, because they are a function of scarcity. They are necessary in some form in a scarce environment. For instance, why is it, that no one is selling air? Could it be because it is abundant? (The way things are going, the last day of free air may unfortunately be on the horizon, though).

If you create an environment that effectively eliminates scarcity, then you don't need money. Money is a means of exchange. If you eliminate scarcity, there is no need for exchange. I am not saying that it's an easy task. But I am saying, that it is absolutely possible, given our current state of technology and scientific understandings. Every bit of tech needed to achieve just that is available today. I'll be happy to point you to it, if you like.

Life.sent1nel:

Money creates a system of "Haves" and "Have-nots" as there is a controlled amount of the stuff in circulation. It is a flawed and failing system that needs to be revised. RBEs present a very valid option for removing it from our lives.

Argument:   Would just lead to more wars & competition over resources What do you think wars are fought over? Human rights? Good will? Hell no, it's about resources & power. Focuses on resources purely would just support more aggressive actions, not only towards other countries but towards the environment. I don't know how any sane person wants that. I don't think it would lead to peace or true stability as others have mentioned but instead very aggressive and overt competition.

Responses: Rowan_is_warm: 

Quite the opposite you assume the a RBE is about the trading of goods and resources instead of bartering with money. Quite the contrary. In this economy we would reach a state of production that eliminates scarcity, and the resources will be intelligently managed by advanced systems that will continually assess the capacity of the populace to minimize waste and maximize efficient. This means that nothing has value which eliminates the behavioral issues associated and influenced by he existence of money. The need of ALL will be met without the need for money and a job to acquire resources. That way of thinking will be decimated. The new system will bring an incentive and value system that puts the well being of humans FIRST, instead of a system serving the needs of the top 1% you will have EVERYTHING YOU NEED for free (money will never come into this it will be gone). The new incentive will be advancing and seeing the world become better and better. This way there will be virtually no crimes, wars, and the input of a relevant educational systems will bring everyone to their highest possible level of mental and social concessions that will reflect the world and everyone and everything in our society. I could go on for pages and pages...If you have any further questions, you need only ask or simply watch more of the videos about the Venus Project, watch this video for more information http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w, or buy the book "The best money can't buy" cheers :)

Argument: A system which goes against human nature. 

For a resource based economy to work we would have to dissolve national boundaries. The world would have to become one nation. This would be an impossible task that could only be achieved through force as their would always be at least one country that would not want to dissolve it's borders. 

In a highly technically advanced world without money people would still need to do some jobs to design new machines, manage repairs, plan farms. However, they would be expected to do this for no personal gain monetary or status reward, this would invariably result in slow or non existent repairs, work boredom/dissatisfaction and so planning leading to a dysfunctional system.

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I have been a single mother working towards self sufficiency for most of my son's life and then some. Up until about aiz years ago, I had full custody and was the main caregiver of my son with only as much support as I could get from friends and family who were generally already consumed with their own struggles. There are many people to whom I owe thanks in this regard.* I attempted school when my son was a young child and was unable to sufficiently balance that with child care and part time work. Work has often been a struggle so I have done quite a lot of odd jobs, part time and temporary work and I feel like I am the better for it. I have worked with so many interesting and diverse people and in various industries.

My son is in the custody of my sister where he has been for about four years and doing quite well in high school. About 3 years ago, I was nigh homeless and got a call from the student loan people, who helped me get my loans in to deferment so that I could re-enroll in school and finally seek my degree. I'm proof that it can pay not to ignore those calls.

I am currently pursuing that degree in graphic/web design and have been since January 2011. I have one more semesters, including the current semester, for my associate of applied science in graphic/web design. And am doing very well. I am a member of Phi Theta Kappa honor society and very excited to have begun using my newly acquired skills in web design, graphic design, photoshop, illustrator and video editing with final cut pro.

I have started this fundraising platform to raise the funds it will take to really launch my business as a graphic designer and promotional/event coordinator. I have recently purchased a Canon D-SLR camera with the money I have raised so far, and some of my student aid. I am back at Pima and have had pell grants and loans to offset some of my expenses, but the money goes quick. With prior semesters financial aid, I have already invested in an Imac computer and Adobe Design Premium Software. I was also able to acquire Final Cut Pro through barter. So I have most of the tools I need to begin seriously promoting my business and getting work. I have a huge network of colleagues, that I know will also benefit me in my field and in finding the jobs. I also bought an amtrak ticket to visit my son at Christmas.

Some of the things I am still raising money for are: Microsoft Office, my drivers license, my passport, rent, food and other necessities. It is also my hope to again get to Indiana for a few weeks, in July, to visit my son. I've only been able to visit once a year at Christmas time for quite some time, and we both have realized we would really enjoy being able to enjoy some nicer weather together. I've done some research and amtrak is still the cheapest way to travel. So I'm looking to raise/earn $375 for the ticket and around $200 travel money.

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*On this note of support that I have, I want to take the time to appreciate some of these people by name: my biological sisters Raquel, Mar and Barb; My brothers Ric, David and Andy; Olga Mogollon, Alexys Heffernan; Chantal Byerly and Ferron Mogollon;  Abby Mogollon; Jennifer Juarigue; Brenda Ojeda; Stephen Pacios; Brenda & Bill Taylor; Marilyn Taylor; Mary Pacios; Cliff and Billie Humphrey; Kate Fitch; Patricia Turner; Samantha Turner and all of my biological family.

I am also very appreciative of my close friends, many of whom feel as much a part of my family as though I share blood with. People like Johanna Martinez; Melinda Franz, my advisor at Pima; Tania Hammond; Liz Weibler; Steven Eye; Ned Shaper; James Patrick Jordan; Jon and Emily Mcnamara; Lupe and Rex Rankin; Tony McNamara; Joe McNamara; Corinna Harris; Mark Oley; Brenna Franco; Kristen Suagee Beaudy; Nancy Pontius; Robert Mann; Michael 'Floyd' Elliot; Eli Scheid; Lisa Rivas; Reed Garber Pearson; Michelle Lind; Joyce from the CoOp; Katie Edwards; Charlotte Gillis; Qat and Dortha Turner; Aaron Moreno; Roland Bosma; Rachel Crook; Norma Irene Echeandea; Cristina Echeandea; Jerry and Cindy Diaz; Deni Perez; Rosie Moni Mona; Tracy Hill; Chrissy Goral, John Paul Marchand; Jasper Vasconcellos; Sharon from Itl Coffeehouse; Peter from Itl; Two Feathers from Epic Cafe; Eldon Katz; Johanna Patchell; Flora Edwards; Manda Reubens; Anon Thomas; Timothy Koch David Scott Moyer; Jane Mohler; Bryan Crow; Athena Hagen; Nadia Hagen; Bruce Momich; Luna Hagen Momich; Elizabeth Cherry; Taya Pocock; Viva Yazon; Erl Kimmich; Christina Devine; Serena Tang; Malachi; Kelly Murphy; Mrs. Marshall from Sabin School; Brette Murphy; Mr. and Mrs. Ross shose first names I don't remember but were our neighbors and the parents of one of Andrees' schoolmates in Portland. And so many more people,

I apprecate all the moments semmingly insignificant or not that people gave Andrees and I. Even if it was simply to entertain him at Epic; ITL or Shot in the Dark Cafe; giving me a moment to my own thoughts, reading or writing. I'm sure there are many more I haven't mentioned; people who just by being accepting and thoughtful made life a little better every day. Gave me even the smallest reason to smile and keep feeling strong and capable. So, though there are some I haven't named, it is not that they are any less significant, and indeed there have been bus drivers and school workers and random people on the street whose names I don't know but remember and feel just as thankful for.

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I was born at exactly the right time - in exactly the perfect place - to just the right parents with most certainly the most perfect and appropriate number of siblings ahead of me. It was the year 1969; the summer of love on its way. The summer of Woodstock. My life has been full of wonder, of beauty, of fabulous and profound people - thrilling and evocative and rewarding experience. It really has; and the more I learn and remember to accept, appreciate and cherish all that I have been and done, the more and more I am able to be at peace.

I am a bad ass - I am creative, artistic, a brilliant writer, a fortunate and fabulous mother. I have nothing to lose and the universe to gain. I am capable and will reach all of my goals and desires. I will succeed in being independent, prolific, powerful, and accompished. Because, I already am all of that. i will make my contribution to society or more of it, never forgetting to share and abet others along the way. I am compassionate, clear headed, profound, enigmatic and joyful. I will and am helping to create a peaceful, loving and just society.

So it is.

So be it.